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Diehard88 Wily Veteran
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:49 pm Post subject: Its the small things (a fire Lou thread) |
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I'm sick and tired of Lou Piniella's management of games. He just used Nady in a Pinch-hitting spot against a RHP instead of Tyler Colvin who was available. I don't always buy into the mandatory righty-lefty matchups (you should look at the numbers of the pitcher against righties and lefties and the batter's numbers against RHP or LHP) but Ohlendorf is significantly worse against LHB and Colvin hits anyone.
Against the Phillies he didn't PH Soto, but brought him in and put him in the wrong spot causing him to come up in a much less favorable spot (using Ramirez in the 9th who struck out). He pulls Wells here with 90 pitches, allowing Russell to give up the leadoff tying HR. Plus a few other really bad decisions that were blatant.
Against the Cardinals, in back to back games a runner was thrown out by a MILE against Yadi. Why would you try to straight steal on Yadi EVER, and if it was a hit and run, why did each batter take the pitch right down the middle? The manager has the responsibility of keeping his players on the same page and not RUNNING ON YADIER MOLINA EVER. (Soriano was out btw on that steal against Yadi, glad we caught that break)
And I'd be okay with that if the team were fired up and hitting, but they're not and its not Rudy J's fault. This blame has to come on Lou's head, and to save the season either he does something to fire up the fans and the team (Mount Lou Eruption) or he should be axed soon. I like him as a person, I like him better when it looks like he cares and has the fire and the winning spirit.
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Stewed All-Star
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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I have to wonder what the Cubs record would be if they had any middle relief. Though some of Lou's moves, or non-moves, recently have really been head scratchers.
I'll tell you one thing though, if the Cubs can not unlock the enigma that is the Pirates, they might as well start planning for next year |
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BigknockHawk Rookie
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: Next year |
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| Stewed wrote: | I have to wonder what the Cubs record would be if they had any middle relief. Though some of Lou's moves, or non-moves, recently have really been head scratchers.
I'll tell you one thing though, if the Cubs can not unlock the enigma that is the Pirates, they might as well start planning for next year |
I hear ya! At this rate this is just a few games away from the dreaded "rebuilding year". If that becomes the case, and it appears to be plummeting there quickly, we had better commit to play our young guys to give them as much experience as possible for "next year". We always have that, don't we? _________________ Chris B. |
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mpkennedy3 Wily Veteran
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The loss today was depressing, but there is still a chance they can come back and win the series. That is what they need to do. Before the Cards series they had won or tied the last four series. The Cards are a good team, and while it would have been nice to take the series, it is by no means the end of the season. They just need to bear down and take this series againist the Pirates. Ironically the last series they lost before the cards was againist the Pirates. |
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Diehard88 Wily Veteran
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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...and now they have to avoid the sweep...
This team is depressing, than goodness for the Hawks. |
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mpkennedy3 Wily Veteran
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| looks like the hawks are testing you too..... |
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Stewed All-Star
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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why in GODS NAME was Lilly left out to pich the 8th inning tonight?!?!
Now admittedly, I've only been watching since the 6th. Did I miss something? Was there a no-hitter going? Is Marshal NOT the set up man? jesus..
Sometimes Lou's coaching style does not match the modern era.
Crush..Kill..Destroy! |
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AndCounting Seasoned Veteran
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Stewed wrote: | why in GODS NAME was Lilly left out to pich the 8th inning tonight?!?!
Now admittedly, I've only been watching since the 6th. Did I miss something? Was there a no-hitter going? Is Marshal NOT the set up man? jesus..
Sometimes Lou's coaching style does not match the modern era.
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You're not serious, right? He had thrown 80 pitches. The reason Lilly is a starter and Marshall is in the bullpen is because Lou, along with most of the world, agrees that Lilly at pitch 81 is better than Marshall at pitch 1. _________________ When the snow melts away, do the Cubbies still play in that ivy-covered burial ground? |
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IceBox13 All-Star
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| My biggest gripe is intentionally walking the winning run on base. I understand setting up the double play, but if the runner on second scores...the game is tied. I never have understood putting the winning run on base to keep from having the game tied up. |
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AndCounting Seasoned Veteran
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| IceBox13 wrote: | | My biggest gripe is intentionally walking the winning run on base. I understand setting up the double play, but if the runner on second scores...the game is tied. I never have understood putting the winning run on base to keep from having the game tied up. |
Did they intentionally walk him from the beginning or did they go to 3-0 and decide to go ahead and walk him? The plays that happen around my kids' bedtime are a lot harder to follow, but from what I heard it seemed like they started to pitch to Fielder and then just went ahead and put him on. Not a good move to walk him intentionally, but either way, it's Prince Fielder. _________________ When the snow melts away, do the Cubbies still play in that ivy-covered burial ground? |
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IceBox13 All-Star
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know...it wasn't televised here, so I didn't see it. I just saw what's in the box score.
Even after that...once you get runners on second and third and two outs, the winning run was at second base. Why not walk McGehee create a force-play at any base for the last out, since the runner on first wouldn't matter? |
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mark Wily Veteran
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think that it's terrible that Steak and Potato intentionally walked Fielder. Walks kill just like the two that Z issued in the fourth tonight. Now more than ever I think that it's time to give Brenly or Trammel a chance to manage!  |
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Diehard88 Wily Veteran
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Was anybody else hoping that when Lou came out to argue the Juan Pierre stolen base that he'd finally show some fire? LOU PINIELLA NEEDS TO GO NOW. He seems almost resigned to losing, makes stupid decisions, and needs to get the hell out of town. I don't like his decision making, I don't like his lineups, and I don't like his attitude. If Hendry does not fire Lou by the all star break I think Ricketts needs to fire both of them at the end of the season. |
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IceBox13 All-Star
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Diehard88 wrote: | | Was anybody else hoping that when Lou came out to argue the Juan Pierre stolen base that he'd finally show some fire? LOU PINIELLA NEEDS TO GO NOW. He seems almost resigned to losing, makes stupid decisions, and needs to get the hell out of town. I don't like his decision making, I don't like his lineups, and I don't like his attitude. If Hendry does not fire Lou by the all star break I think Ricketts needs to fire both of them at the end of the season. |
Big frickin' dot. |
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bigbobbo85 Rookie
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Gurnee, IL
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TheFonz Wily Veteran
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Girardi isn't coming. Why would he leave the Yanks for this Cubs team? I don't see your beef with Rothschild either. Pitching has been pretty good for the most part. _________________ “Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue.” |
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Celticub All-Star

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| TheFonz wrote: | | Girardi isn't coming. Why would he leave the Yanks for this Cubs team? I don't see your beef with Rothschild either. Pitching has been pretty good for the most part. |
While there is always the possibility of Girardi getting sacked by the Yankees for the abject failure of not winning the World Series every year, somehow I don't see the Steinbrenner sons celebrating their father's legacy by binning another manager right away. So does anyone have any genuine managerial candidates not named Sandberg and Brenly? _________________ Wha's like us? Damn few and they're a' deid! |
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Celticub All-Star

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Jumping before he is pushed?
Piniella to retire as Cubs manager _________________ Wha's like us? Damn few and they're a' deid! |
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